Grace and peace to the household of faith, and greetings to the unbelieving.
I’m still in Germany visiting with my wife and children, and, thus far, it has been a very good visit.  One thing that is for sure is that my presence is greatly needed.  As many of you may know, my wife is not saved, and though she claims to be a Christian, I have always believed she was a Roman Catholic.  This is because of the terminology she uses (such as catechism and the Portuguese translation of “mass,†which she uses to mean church service).  Additionally, Roman Catholicism is the largest religious denomination in her country, and, quite simply, her religious beliefs seem to be based largely on tradition rather than the Bible. I came to this conclusion during our four-year separation and had always anticipated the day when I would ask her in person to either confirm or allay my suspicions.
Well, on the second day of my visit, I asked her directly if she were a Roman Catholic and was mildly surprised when she admitted that she was, in fact, raised a Roman Catholic, even though she claims to have left the church years ago. You have no idea how important this was for me. It confirmed my fears that my wife’s problems are spiritual and stem from a generational curse. I say this not only because she was a Roman Catholic, but also because her family practiced witchcraft back in Africa, and I suspect even until the present day.
Understand that when a person is under a generational curse, he may have great problems discerning truth from error, as discernment comes from the Holy Spirit. While a person under a generational curse can become a Christian and be sealed by the Holy Spirit (I was such a person), I don’t believe he can be filled with the Holy Spirit. He may therefore be susceptible to myriad deceptions. Because my wife is not saved, and is easily deceived, I warned my children that they should be on the lookout for anything in the house that was anti-Christian.
I did this for two reasons. The first was because the crucifix is extremely important to Roman Catholics. As many of you may know, the crucifix, which is a cross with a dead “Jesus†hanging on it, is an abomination in the sight of God: not only because Roman Catholics worship it, making it an idol, but because it is actually a curse because of the dead Jesus hanging on it (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23). For more information on this, it would prove most illuminating to read our post on Generational Curses.
Because it is a curse, to bring a crucifix into one’s home is to bring a curse upon one’s family. So I have been concerned for some time that perhaps my wife had a crucifix or other occult object somewhere in the house, for although she claims to have left the Catholic church, she is and will always be a Roman Catholic, unless she repents and accepts the Lord Jesus as her Savior and denounces the Roman Catholic religion.
I have been married to two Roman Catholics, and I can tell you that Catholics worship a number of idols—not just the idol Mary—and are very accepting of other religions, having no problem reconciling them to their Roman Catholic faith. My wife likes to talk about religion—to everyone but me, of course—and it seems that people are always giving her things, which she, in turn, brings home. So, I have always had to keep my eyes open and be on the lookout for any religious items that she may bring home. Because my wife rarely turns anything down, I have had to be especially vigilant.
I had been doing this alone, until one day, when I discovered that one of my youngest daughter’s teachers was giving her class instruction on occult symbols. It happened on this wise:
One day I was reading the book, The New World Order, by A. Ralph Epperson, which features the all-seeing eye within a pyramid on the cover (a symbol that has been associated with the “Illuminatiâ€).  Suddenly, my daughter points to the pyramid and exclaims, “Papa, my teacher showed us that the other day.â€Â It turns out their religion teacher had shown her class a gold Illuminati pyramid, which he seemed to characterize as a good thing. Shocked, I decided that the time was right to explain to my children the war between good and evil and the role that symbols play in this war.
Consequently, my children understand that symbols are deceptive, and they know that certain symbols are, in fact, evil.  Mystery Babylon, as the worship of Nimrod and Semiramis is called in the Bible, uses occult hand signs to communicate.  You may read more about it here.  I had, therefore, enlisted my children’s help in looking out for occult symbols in their home in my absence. And it has paid off.
A couple of days ago, that same daughter, while helping her mother shred papers, pulled out from her documents a pocket calendar, the reverse side of which featured the Hindu God, Ganesh, the Elephant God.
I was horrified. Of all the gods and goddesses in the world, the Hindu gods are to me the most demonic-looking.  (By the way, I believe all gods and goddesses are simply manifestations of Nimrod, the son of Cush, and his wife, Semiramis.  One of many pieces of evidence from the above photo that this is true of Ganesh, is the fact that he has a halo, or sunburst behind his head, which identifies him with the sun.  After Nimrod was killed, he was deified as The Sun God.  Thus, many gods such as Apollo, Zoroaster, and Horus, are also identified with the sun and are often depicted with halos or sunbursts over or behind their heads.  And Apollo, Zoroaster, and Horus are all merely names for Nimrod.)
It sent a chill down my spine to know that this image of Ganesh was in my children’s home. My daughter said that the image frightened her too. She knew instantly that it did not belong in the house and she brought it straight to me.
I explained to her that Ganesh is a God of the Hindu religion and that there are temples to Ganesh all over India. Hindis worship the image of Ganesh, which makes him an idol, and the Bible teaches that behind every idol is a demon (1 Corinthians 10:19-20). Having an image or statue of Ganesh in one’s house, then, even imprinted on a card, could invite a demon into one’s home and into one’s life.
Many physical problems have a spiritual origin and often our problems are the result of sin in our lives.  Though the Bible teaches that all disobedience is sin, there are certain sins that God hates more than others.  God calls these sins abominations.  Idolatry is number one on God’s list of abominations, and many who name the name of Christ unknowingly practice idolatry by bringing pagan images and objects into their homes in the guise of art. Fifteen minutes in the average person’s home would bear this out. Â
A reader, for example, sent me this photo:
This is the goddess Artemis, also known as Diana, the goddess of virginity and (ironically) sexual love and prostitution. Â This lady, having recently converted to Christianity, knew of the Holy Spirit that this did not belong in her home, and she wrote me for confirmation. Â
Now, some may say that if one is not worshipping a painting, sculpture, or any other artifact featuring a god or goddess, there should be nothing wrong with it. Â You must understand that all gods and goddesses are, in reality, Nimrod and Semiramis, the first king and queen of ancient Babylon. Â These two were, and still are, worshipped as gods, which makes them idols. Â If you are a Christian, then you want to make it absolutely clear that you worship no other god but the Lord Jesus.
So, I explained to my daughter that because her mother is not a true believer, she is not totally protected from satanic attack. The Bible teaches that the unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the Christian spouse for the sake of the children (1 Corinthians 7:14). I believe, therefore, that God protects my wife to some degree. But God also says that He will “by no means clear the guilty” (Exodus 34:7).  That means that the spouse that is under a generational curse will be vulnerable to certain attacks by Satan, because this is part of the punishment for a generational curse. This will manifest in some way.
I cast out whatever demon Ganesh may have brought into the house, and my daughter tore the card into pieces and threw it into the trash. My wife denied ever seeing the card, and perhaps she was telling the truth, but there is no doubt it was with her things. What was more important was that my daughter learned, in a very tangible and practical way, that the Hindu religion is demonic. I had never thought to explain this to her, more concerned, as I was, about the Roman Catholics and Muslims among whom she lives. God, however, in His mercy and grace, provided an object lesson that was better than anything I could ever have thought of. Ultimately this was an example of how God uses for good that which Satan means for evil. Praise God for His goodness!
Keeping your home free of occult and antiChrist images and objects should be the concern of every Christian parent, especially if your spouse is a non-believer who practices or has practiced an idolatrous religion like Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any form of witchcraft like Santeria or the like, as many of those coming from these religions tend to have idols or shrines hidden in their homes. Â Someone with whom I was once involved, for example, used to hide glasses of water that she had prayed over, in various places in the house. Â She was also a Roman Catholic and practiced Santeria. Â Additionally, she had a small, wooden Buddhist shrine, which she kept in her closet. Â There is no doubt in my mind that these had a devastating spiritual effect on her and her family as they experienced many, many problems.
We should not strive to become experts on the occult, but we should have at least a rudimentary knowledge of what is not of God so that we can police our homes to make sure that there is nothing in them that is an abomination in the eyes of God or that blasphemes or dishonors the Lord Jesus. Â Satan is working overtime to influence our spouses and children, so we have to be diligent to protect our homes from satanic influence.
The Still Man
P.S. Further evidence that Ganesh is really Nimrod is the fact that one of his tusks is broken. Â Is it not strange that Ganesh, who is a god, would have a broken tusk? Â A broken tusk is a defect—a blemish—and gods are supposed to be perfect. Â Why then, would a perfect god be depicted with an obvious defect? Â
It is because the broken tusk is a symbol. Â A symbol of what? Â you may ask. Â Well, tradition has it that Nimrod, the great grandson of Noah, was killed by Noah’s son, Shem, who was Nimrod’s uncle and the father of the Jewish race. Â An ancient hieroglyph to show that someone had been killed, or “cut off,” was to show something related to the person as being broken, or cut off. Â Usually, it was something straight such as a pole, a staff, a column, or even a sword. Â In this case, it is a tusk. Â
Ganesh is Nimrod.
>P.S. Further evidence that Ganesh is really Nimrod is the fact that one of his tusks is broken. Is it not strange that Ganesh, who is a god, would have a broken tusk? A broken tusk is a defect—a blemish—and gods are supposed to be perfect. Why then, would a perfect god be depicted with an obvious defect?
Christ was executed by humans, is that not more of a blemish than a broken tusk? Of course not, because Christ’s perfection bound him to the fate prescribed by his Father.
Similarly, Ganesh is bound by the will of his own father, Lord Shiva. Parashurama, the axe-wielding avatar of Vishnu, encountered Ganesh while journeying to pray to Shiva. Ganesh blocked the path of Parashurama, stating that his father was sleeping and he would not allow him to be disturbed. Parashurama was angered by this and attacked Ganesh. Now, Parashurama’s axe was a gift from Shiva, with a blessing associated with it that it would always be successfully employed in battle. Therefore, Ganesh was bound by dharma to honor his father’s blessing and thus allowed the axe to remove his tusk. Parashurama, observing the wisdom of Ganesh, immediately halted his attack.
As Christ must be obedient (even to death) to the will of his Father, Ganesh must be obedient to the will of Shiva.
Touching obedience, in attempting to liken Ganesh to the Lord Jesus Christ, you err greatly; because, according to you, Ganesh is bound by “the will of his own father†and the law of dharma. One who is bound is not free; and one who is not free does not do a thing out of obedience, as obedience implies free will. If Ganesh is bound to be obedient, then he is not free to be disobedient. Thus, he is not truly obedient. The Lord Jesus, however, is not bound by the will of his Father; but, as you so accurately point out, was “obedient to death.†He was not bound by His Father’s will, He chose to do His Father’s will.
In the literature of most cultures, any physical imperfection is a metaphor for evil (hence the bad guy in movies and literature often having a patch over one eye, a scar on his face, only one leg, or a limp), while physical perfection is a metaphor for good. In the Bible, physical imperfection is evidence of sin; and physical perfection is evidence of sinlessness: that is, holiness. This is why Jesus went around healing the blind, deaf and dumb, lame, lepers, and others. Their imperfection was a metaphor for sin and Jesus healing them was a sign of their sin being forgiven (as well as a sign of his deity). It was prophesied that the Lord Jesus Himself would be physically perfect “having no spot or blemish.” And He was. It was also prophesied that the Lord Jesus would suffer no broken bones while He hung on the cross; and true to the Word of God, the Lord Jesus suffered no broken bones at all, though the two malefactors that were crucified on either side of him both had their legs broken. If Jesus had had a physical imperfection, then it would have meant that he was born with the same sin nature as the rest of us. And if this were true, then He would have been unable to redeem the world from sin. Praise God that the Lord Jesus was perfect.
So, no thing or no one can compare to the Lord Jesus Christ.
I was from a hindu family my parents and siblings are still hindus, but i was saved by Jesus on april of 2009 , my house has all sorts of hindu idols , i pray everyday thaf my family will accept Jesus in his heart, a christian friend of mine told me that idols bring illnesses And demonic spirits which is very true , ganesh (elephant god) is symbol of heart problem causibmng heart attack… My fathet had a heart attack last year , i know Jesus will save my family, because prayets arw powrful abnd god said if one in the family is saved all is saved .
Praise the Lord Jesus for your salvation, Vijay, and keep on praying for your family. God is able.
Thank u sir for yr reply, people here are mostly against you but we both know what is the truth.. I pray for the people here the that Jesus will.come.onto yout hearts god bless u all and god bless the still man and his family !
Still Man how are you so sure that the Bible is the ultimate truth ? Rather than preaching what is in the Bible don’t you think that you should spend more time proving that it is true in the first place ! Once you do that you wont even have to preach , because once people are convinced of its truth , they will convert………but I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE THAT CONVICTION YOURSELF in the first place….if you say Hinduism is created by Satan , how you so sure that Christianity is not created by Satan ? All im saying NOBODY REALLY KNOWS the truth……..it is God who needs to give the person a personal testimony…………..if you have received a personal testimony that is great , but pray that others receive it as well…..and remember one thing if someone has not heard the name Jesus and turns to Lord Ganesha , God knows the sincerity of that person…….he knows the heart and he knows that it is not the intention of that person to worship satan, his intention is to worship the one true God…..and how are you so sure that Jesus is not an Idol himself ?
Jesus said that if a person will not believe the Bible, then he would not believe even if a dead man were to come back from the dead and tell him that Hell (and therefore the ultimate consequence of sin) is real. It is therefore not necessary that I prove the Bible is true. I only preach the Bible and let people decide for themselves if it is true. God bless you.
TSM
You poor, poor man. You are very sick. Lord Ganesha can help you. So it can Lord Jesus. But first you have to stop telling the world that you know the truth. Stop telling that to your children — they don’t deserve that. Same day, when they start to have a glance off their own truth, they will think that you betray them. Don’t do that. You don’t now the truth. Be humble, and, with time, the Truth will be revealed to you.
Don’t you see that the possession of the so called truth is the first step to establishing an inquisition? Jesus was crucified be people who think like you.
Be Universal. Be All. Just like Jesus.
God bless you,
Ricardo — a Jesus, and Ganesha devotee.
Alas, Ricardo, if your Jesus is universal, then your Jesus cannot be the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote the Holy King James Bible, as that Jesus said “No man come unto the Father but by me.” There is absolutely nothing universal in that statement, as it leaves no room for Ganesh or any other idol. You must be talking about the “other Jesus,” the dead Jesus hanging on the cross.” That Jesus belongs to Roman Catholicism, and seems to get along quite well with Ganesh, Buddha, Allah, and all the other false gods--and for good reason, seeing that he is also a false Christ.
Thanks for your blessing, and may the Good Lord Jesus bless you too.
TSM
Quoting the author still man : “Is it not strange that Ganesh, who is a god, would have a broken tusk? A broken tusk is a defect—a blemish—and gods are supposed to be perfect. ”
Who said God is supposed to be perfect ? Did he create a perfect world…are his creations perfect ? Is God free from jealousy or anger ? Exodus 20:5 ” I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” Exodus 34:14 “You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you.” So God has negative qualities and that makes him imperfect.
Now you talk about a broken tusk and mock Lord Ganesha’s power on account of this. Was Jesus not whipped flogged and crucified and left to die there ? Did he not say Elohi Mama Sabachtani on the cross (Father, why have you forsaken me).
Intolerance that is perpetrated by Islam and right wing christianity is a sign of immaturity. Gnostic christianity is definitely more acceptable. I am a christian by the way.
Vakkachan, I have not mocked your Lord Ganesh. Just because my beliefs differ from yours doesn’t make my religion better than yours. Most of us are only trying to do what is right in the sight of our God, though many are deceived as to who God really is. I have only explained why I believe Ganesh to be Nimrod, for the benefit of thinking people who prefer to know why they do and believe what they do and believe.
I will not address your question regarding God being perfect, as the fact that you address Ganesh as Lord reveals you not to be the Christian you claim to be. It would be pointless to quote the Bible, therefore, because you neither believe that the Bible is the Word of God, nor that Jesus Christ is Lord.
I think you are mistaken about Catholics. First -- a word about crucifixes. A crucifix is NOT cursed NOR is it a sign of a curse. During Jesus’ incarnation, the punishment of death by crucifixion was CONSIDERED to be accursed. Notice the use of the past tense. Jesus has redeemed us ALL from any and all curse of the Law. Nothing which was formerly held to be a curse can stand. Furthermore, the very fact that Jesus expiated all human sins and curses -- has even further removed any possible curse from ancient use of the torture of crucifixion. You must also consider the fact that a crucifix is considered holy by us Catholics -- it is a sign of Jesus suffering for all humanity. It’s powerful a way of honoring Jesus’ sacrifice which saved us all and a way to compassionate with him. The Crucifixion was the means by which he saved the world and a crucifix is a powerful tool against he enemy since it is a clear sign of Jesus’ victory. We all talk about the victory of the cross, where Jesus conquered the world and defeated the Enemy. Well crucifixes represent that victory and well as the process of redemption.
I don’t know where you get the idea that Catholics worship Mary. It is clear that they do not. I find it unhealthy that Protestants are constantly labeling and judging other Christians and their beliefs and activities. The Catholics formed the first church and from our first pope to the present, Catholicism has had uninterrupted leadership and maintained apostolic tradition for 2,000 years. We do not worship the Virgin Mary -- we VENERATE her and recognize her great spiritual importance. She plays a role in our lives and in our faiths. It should not be too hard to understand this, but I have never met a Protestant who COULD understand the veneration that Catholic express towards Mary. No matter how often you explain to Protestants that Latria=Worship and Hyperdulia & Dulla, are differing forms of VENERATION which we offer to the saints and to Mary the mother of Jesus. -- Protestants always choose to collapse everything into one concept -- worship.
You sound like you can’t handle being married to a non-white woman, that you are undermining your wife as a mother in front of her daughters. You are robbing your daughters of a very precious treasure- that of respect and intimacy with their own mother. You are destroying their sense of wellness about being mixed children.
This is why Catholics should never marry Protestants -- they steal great treasure from us and cover our lives with disapprobation, censure, self-denial and rejection. No Protestant can ever be a good husband or wife to a true Catholic.
Thanks for your comment, VaniNY. Indeed, Jesus has redeemed all those who are trusting in His blood from the “curse of the Law”; but Roman Catholics are still living under the Law, because you are not trusting in the blood of Jesus for redemption from sin. That means that the blood of Jesus is not applied to your sins. According to the Bible, a Christian is someone who is trusting in the blood of Jesus Christ alone for redemption from sin (Romans 3:25, Ephesians 2:8-9); the Roman Catholic Council of Trent, however, places anyone who believes that faith in the blood of Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation under a perpetual anathema; that is, a curse:
This is contrary to the Bible, which says: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1).
Moreover, the Bible says that our works will not get us into heaven:
“For by grace are ye saved; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of god: not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
The Council of Trent also decreed that anyone who believes he is justified by faith in the blood of Jesus alone is a heretic:
The Bible, however says that we ought to have confidence in our justification:
“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in Him…” (1 John 5:13-14).
This is the difference between a Protestant (Bible-Believing Christian) and a Catholic. Protestants follow the Bible as the sole rule and guide of our faith. Catholics, however, have several sources, including tradition. The Council of Trent decreed: “If anyone…knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions, let him be anathema.” (Fourth Session)
Jesus, however, said that through tradition men make the Word of God “of none effect.”
This is why Catholics don’t see the crucifix as a cursed thing, when the Bible says that Jesus hanging on the cross is a cursed thing. This is how Catholics can justify idolatry, by calling the worship of a statue “veneration.” This is how Catholics can call the Virgin Mary Co-Redeemer with Jesus Christ, when she didn’t shed a drop of blood for mankind. Dulia, hyerdulia and Latria are merely ways for Catholicism to justify Mary worship and Eucharist “adoration.”
This brings up an interesting point--more interesting than Mary “veneration.” By your own words, latria is worship. Why then do Catholics argue that they do not worship the Eucharist (the consecrated wafer used during the Mass) but adore it, when the Council of Trent says the Eucharist should be given the worship of latria?:
(Council of Trent, Thirteenth Session Chapter Five, p. 76.)
With this statement, the Catholic Church is actually calling both veneration and adoration forms of worship; and they should, for that is exactly what they are. Note also that Eucharist worship is not done in obedience to the Bible, but “in accordance with a custom always received in the Catholic Church.” A custom, as you know, is a tradition. So, if while Catholics may argue that they don’t worship the Virgin Mary, but “venerate” it, and don’t worship the Eucharist, but “adore” it, your own church says otherwise.
To the contrary, I can very well handle being married to a non-white woman, given that I am a non-white man. For the record, I am a Black American, while my wife is a Black African. Our children are, therefore, of mixed nationality, but not of mixed race.
Lastly, you spoke a great truth when you said that “Catholics should never marry Protestants,” but you are incorrect when you say that Protestants “steal great treasure from you and cover your lives with disapprobation, censure, self-denial and rejection.” It is your own Catholic church that steals many great treasures from you chief of which is the Truth of Jesus Christ and the Free Gift of Eternal Salvation that could be yours. It also steals the holy treasure of marriage from your priests and nuns (1 Timothy 3:1-3) resulting in their great frustration and the hurt of many innocent girls and boys. Your comment that “No Protestant can ever be a good husband or wife to a true Catholic” should also be re-worded to say that no good Catholic can ever be a good husband or wife to a true Protestant, because your own Council of Constance (1414-1418) decreed:
“A Catholic wife is not obliged to any duty to her heretical (Protestant) husband, because by the husband’s heresy she is freed from her duty. In like manner, a Catholic husband is freed from all duty to his wife, is she be a heretic.”
You see, it is your own Catholic Church that is the enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ and all godly institutions, including marriage. Open your Bible and read it, if you dare, “and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.”
It’s not disbelief -- it’s just a recognition that there are many different paths. It is totally okay for Christian people to pray to Jesus AND Ganesha. It enriches their faith.
If, when you say Christian, you mean Roman Catholic, then it may be perfectly fine for a Roman Catholic to pray to both Jesus and Ganesha. Carlos Santana, for example, is a Roman Catholic, but he is also a practicing Buddhist. If, however, when you say Christian you mean “follower of the Lord Jesus,” then it is not okay for a Christian to pray to both Jesus and Ganesha.
Jesus said that a man cannot serve two masters, as he will invariably love one and hate the other. The word Lord means “master.” Hindus call Ganesh “Lord,” while Christians call Jesus Lord. When you apply Jesus’ words to the subject of dual worship, then it becomes clear that one cannot pray to both Jesus and Ganesha, as prayer is worship. The person who prays to both Jesus and Ganesha may appear to love them both, but, if Jesus is right (and Jesus is always right), then he really hates one of them.
Moreover, by your own admission, to pray to both Jesus and Ganesh is a recognition that “there are many different paths” [to God]. Because the Lord Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me” (John 14:6), then, for the Christian to recognize two paths to God is to call Jesus Christ a liar. It may sound cool and inclusive to say that there are many different paths to God, but the person who lives that way is either double-minded and unstable, or a liar, because no true Christian would worship Ganesh, and no true Buddhist would worship Jesus. Either way, the dual worshipper is not at all to be trusted.
TSM
Ganesh did not have an uncle. So ur claim doesn’t make sense.
It makes plenty of sense, Nirmal. Though people worship Ganesh and other gods and goddesses (which is what makes them gods), the fact is that Ganesh, like all the other gods, is really Nimrod. If you research the gods and goddesses of other countries and compare their stories, histories, and personal characteristics with your own gods, I guarantee that you will be amazed to find that those gods and goddesses are strikingly similar to yours. If all the gods and goddesses of the world are so much alike, then it is very likely that they are all the same god and goddess.
Still Man
Your name is apt -- looks like you were stillborn.
Get out of the narrow confines of your religion -- which is merely 2000 years old.
Read books on other religions before making such sweeping statements and making a fool of yourself. You are nothing but a narrow minded ignoramus.
Shail
“Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”
Not really. That what you term ‘truth’ springs from ignorance rather than knowledge. I therefore merely pity you.
I come from a land where tolerance is a way of life. My religion teaches me that there is more than one way to reach the summit (the ultimate truth). Just because my way is different from yours does not mean it is devious.
Shail
“The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable, but the mouth of the wicked, what is perverse.”
Proverbs 10:32
Sticks and stones, Shail; sticks and stones…
TSM